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The Meaning of Jesus - A Study in Holy Manners

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Last Evening's Questions and Discussion Format

.At the end of this study of the faith dialogue between Borg and Wright, we are aware of new and different questions. We were anxious to know just how different from our early Christian training these modern views (both liberal and conservative) might be from our early Christian training. With these new perspectives, we need to reach some summary conclusions.

  • For this last meeting, we would like 4 small-group discussions to wrestle with some of these new questions and bring their ideas to the large group at evenings end. Then perhaps we'll find the best questions to carry forward from this place.
  • We reprint the initial section summary here to put 2 questions in context of each section. Please choose from the 16 questions below a question or two that have most meaning and resonance for your small group, discussing them in light of what Borg and Wright taught us. Feel perfectly free to frame your own questions.
  • Please appoint spokespersons in the first few minutes to report later to the larger group what was discussed in your small group. Then the person can effectively note for summary the flow of ideas.
  • We suggest picking 2 questions and devoting 20 minutes to each. Then we'll break.
  • Second hour, we'll report. Time budget will be 4 groups 2 questions for approximately 3 minutes report and 5 minutes group interchange.
Section Marcus J. Borg W. Tom Wright
1. What do we know of Jesus? How we see Jesus is to a large extent the product of the lenses through which we see him. We know about Jesus in two ways: history and faith. People regularly try to eliminate one on the basis of the other, dismissing combinations as compromise.
1. Does the knowledge of modern biblical scholarship help advance our faith or diminish it?
2. How does understanding the particular society of Jesus time make any difference to our faith?
2. What did Jesus do and teach? Jesus was a Jewish mystic and a Christian Messiah, a healer and exorcist, a wisdom teacher, a social prophet, a movement initiator Jesus was a first-century Jewish prophet announcing and inaugurating the kingdom of God, summoning others to join him, warning of the consequences if they did not.
3. Is is likely that Jesus said all that was reported of him? What difference does it make whether he did or not?
4. What understanding did Jesus himself have about his purpose? How could he come to it? Was he self-aware?
3. The death of Jesus. Jesus died as a martyr, not as a victim. A martyr is killed because he or she stands for something. Jesus was killed because he stood against the kingdoms of this world and for an alternative social vision grounded in the kingdom of God. ... Good Friday has more than a political meaning. But it does not have less than a political meaning. The cross of Jesus is thus the Christian symbol par excellence, forming the focal point of Christian spirituality, Christian praying, Christian believing, and Christian action. And the manifold ways in which it is and does allthis can trace their roots legitimately to the mind and intention, to the action and passion, of Jesus himself.
5. Who killed Jesus? Romans? Jews? Or ourselves by our sin? What difference is there in this?
6. Did Jesus have to die to get his point across? Would we have Christianity if he had died elsewise?
4. God raised Jesus from the Dead. For me, the historical ground of Easter is very simple: the followers of Jesus, both then and now, continued to experience Jesus as a living reality after his death. ... a figure of the present, not simply a memory from the past. Once you allow that something remarkable happened to his body that morning, all the other data fall into place with astonishing ease. Once you insist that nothing so outlandish happened, you are driven to ever more complex and fantastic hypotheses to explain the data.
7. Christianity has differed from other religions in respect of resurrection. What difference does that make?
8. Were the passion stories historical, or constructs by the early church to explain their faith in Jesus?
5. Was Jesus God? I find the christological language of the New Testament much more compelling when I hear it as the testimony of the community rather than as the self-proclamation of a Galilean Jewish peasant. ... To be Christian is to affirm, "Here in Jesus, I see more clearly than anywhere else what God is like." I believe in the god I see revealed in Jesus of Nazareth. ... I do not think Jesus "knew he was God" ... he believed he had to do and be, for Israel and the world, that which according to scripture only YHWH himself could do and be.
9. Does pre-Easter and post-Easter differentiation of Jesus help our understanding?
10. What's the fuss about? Isn't Jesus interchangeable with God?
6. The birth of Jesus. ...not a factual claim dependent upon a biological miracle, but a way of seeing Jesus that immediately involves seeing him as the decisive disclosure of God. ... With beauty and power, these symbolic narratives express central early Christian convictions about the significance of Jesus. The problem is that miracle, as used in these controversies, is not a biblical category. The God of the Bible is not a normally absent God who sometimes intervenes. This God is always present and active, often surprisingly so. ... I hold open my historical judgement and say: if that's what God deemed appropriate, who am I to object?
11. How are the birth of Jesus and the death of Jesus understood by these two perspectives?
12. How does understanding the meaning of myth and myth archetype enhance our faith?
7. He will come again in glory. Christ comes again and again and again, and in many ways. In a symbolic and spiritual sense, the second coming of Christ is about the coming of the Christ who is already here. It is time that the old scholars' myth of "the delay of the parousia" was given a decent burial. Metaphorically, of course.
13 .Is it possible and meaningful to be a Christian without a literal interpretation of the words of the Bible?
14. Does the idea of the coming end of the world continue to have purpose for the church today?
8. Jesus and the Christian life. ... being Christian is not about believing, but about a relationship with the God who is sacramentally mediated to us through the Christian tradition in a comprehensive sense of the word: the Bible, the gospels, Jesus himself, and the worship and practices of our life together in Christian community. Glad, rich worship of the God revealed in Jesus invites outsiders to come in, welcomes them, noursihes them, and challenges them. ... Books about Jesus can be an aid toward worship, a guide in mission. But if it really is Jesus we are talking about, worship and mission are more important even than books.
15. How can the scholars maintain a valid faith when it seems so different from ordinarily considered Christian belief?
16. How are we better equipped now to tell the Jesus story by hearing Borg and Wright?
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REFERENCES
Conservatives and Liberals. 'The whole modern world has divided itself into conservatives and progressives,' said G.K. Chesterton. 'The business of progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected.' Click HERE for an interesting paragraph from Oxford speaking to the future dialogues of the Christian community.
Computer-Assisted Theology. Here is a most eclectic and extensive listing of internet resources. It is gathered and posted by Oxford University in the UK. If after this study your appetite is whetted this is about the best general resource. And it is balanced between the left and right perspectives we have studied as well. Click HERE to visit.
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